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Discussione: La situazione della Chiesa Anglicana e il dialogo con la Chiesa Cattolica

  1. #381
    Data Registrazione
    Sep 2015
    Citazione Originariamente Scritto da Carbonate Visualizza Messaggio
    Solo una puntualizzazione per non creare fraintendimenti.

    Pregare insieme non significa preghiera comune. Io cattolico posso pregare "insieme" a un buddista o a un musulmano nel senso che possiamo condividere tempi e spazi di un momento di preghiera, ma ciascuno dei due farà individualmente la propria preghiera, perché io cattolico non prego né Allah né Buddha, il buddista o il musulmano non pregano Cristo Figlio di Dio e, tutti e due, non preghiamo una qualche "divinità" impersonale che in qualche modo ci accomuni. Questo è fondamentale, altrimenti si finisce nell'indifferentismo e nel sincretismo religioso.
    In realtà in caso di impossibilità di trovare una Messa cattolica si può lecitamente prendere la Comunione in una Messa ortodossa.
    Lo afferma chiaramente padre Angelo Bellon O.P.

  2. #382
    Iscritto L'avatar di gsimy
    Data Registrazione
    Apr 2017
    Katharine Jefferts Schori, primo Presiding Bishop donna della Chiesa Episcopale USA è finita sul Times come parte del numero deicato alle 'donne che stanno combiando il mondo'

    Riporto l'intervista solo per conoscenza:


    ‘Engendering opposition is a sign of being effective.’I grew up in the Pacific Northwest, spending lots of time in the mountains and the islands in Puget Sound just fascinated with the wonders of creation. I was quite convinced that I wanted to be a scientist. Having a sense of the wonder of the world around us and the great diversity and the health that diversity signals translates into human communities as well. Being formed as a scientist prepared me in an unusual way to work in human community; being willing to have a hypothesis and test it and not assume that I know the answer going in has been very helpful.

    The Bible says many things about women’s roles. And the reality is, everybody cherry-picks. (scusate ma a me qui fa ridere) We all look for the pieces that affirm what we already believe. If we’re faithful, we keep looking and hopefully we encounter things that confront us, that challenge us and that might transform our view of the role of every human being.
    I read the narratives as saying that God has created human beings in God’s image, that we are meant to be partners in caring for the whole of creation, that each person has particular gifts that may or may not be linked to gender, and that we’re meant to exercise those gifts on behalf of the whole.

    After I finished seminary, I received a call to go back to the congregation that I’d been a part of. And early on, a couple of older women came up to me and said, “We don’t believe in women priests, but you’re all right.” It’s the sense of seeing a real human being exercising a role you hadn’t imagined women being in before that really converts hearts.

    The day I was elected presiding bishop, after all the hullabaloo in the house of deputies when the consents were given, a man said to me, “Now, don’t you wear dangly earrings.” It just confronted his image of what was proper and appropriate.

    I was elected in 2006, and Bishop Gene Robinson, who is openly gay, had been elected in 2003. That was an excuse around the communion for deciding that the Episcopal Church was heretical, that it had done something so offensive that it no longer belonged to the community, and the parts of the Episcopal Church that supported that decision didn’t represent what other Episcopalians thought was appropriate.

    So it was the lightning rod for conflict that was not just about gay and lesbian people but about leadership that didn’t look like a straight white male, which had been the tradition for a very long time. I think it opened a lot of doors, and it’s prompted a lot of creative conversation and some transformation.

    Engendering opposition is a sign of being effective. If there’s opposition, it means they’re noticing that something has changed, that there’s a difference. That’s really the beginning of the conversation, if people are willing to engage. I worked hard to expand the understanding of the average Episcopalian as to who we are as a body. We’re not just a church in the United States. We’re in 16 other countries. We come with many language traditions, many experiences of church and community, different cultural realities. I think we have a broader sense of the gift of diversity as a result, and a greater willingness to engage the different.

    I know we’re not finished, but I think maybe the piece we’re wrestling with now is the full reality that every part of creation has a value and a purpose, and that we cannot simply treat other parts of creation as commodities as we have treated human beings in the past and still do in too many places.

    I’m immensely hopeful about the coming generations of women in the church. They’re bold and courageous, and they’re willing to try new things and not take no for an answer. Those qualities are all very important.
    Ultima modifica di pongo; 16-09-2017 alle 16:02 Motivo: formattazione

  3. #383
    Moderatore Ecumenico L'avatar di DenkaSaeba25
    Data Registrazione
    Feb 2011
    Sembra il discorso di un politico.
    Securus iudicat orbis terrarum

  4. 3 utenti ringraziano per questo messaggio:

    gsimy (16-09-2017), Phantom (16-09-2017), Pikachu (16-09-2017)

  5. #384
    Iscritto L'avatar di gsimy
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    Apr 2017
    Citazione Originariamente Scritto da DenkaSaeba25 Visualizza Messaggio
    Sembra il discorso di un politico.
    è più o meno lo stesso commento che ho fatto anche io nel gruppo luterano in cui ho trovato la notizia: tanto parole ma solo pochi riferimenti vaghi e inutili alla Parola di Dio
    anzi, in tutto il discorso non cita mai Gesù, e i riferimenti a Dio sono vaghi
    il testo promana un'idea che vede la Chiesa come un'ong, o qualcosa di simile

  6. Il seguente utente ringrazia gsimy per questo messaggio:

    DenkaSaeba25 (16-09-2017)

  7. #385
    Partecipante a CR L'avatar di Bessarione
    Data Registrazione
    May 2015
    Ordaining women has not saved the Church of England from impending extinction

    CANTERBURY, England, December 13, 2017 (LifeSiteNews) – Christian belief and worshipping is plummeting in England, and the choice to ordain women has not stopped the rapid decline to near extinction of British Anglicanism.

    According to the most recent British Social Attitudes Survey (BSAS), 53% of all adult Britons describe themselves as having no religion. This is the largest percentage of non-believers in Britain ever recorded. In 1983, only 31 percent of Britons had no religious affiliation. In that same year, the religious majority belonged to Anglicans, who headed the list at 40 percent.

    This has changed dramatically. The percentage of Christians has declined in the United Kingdom. Robert Harding of the National Centre for Social Research stated that the drop in the number of adherents belonging to the Church of England “are most notable.”

    Over the period 1983 to 2014, the Anglican population of the United Kingdom almost halved, falling from 16.5 million adherents to 8.6 million, from 40% of the British population to 15%. Between 2012 and 2014 alone, the proportion of Britons who described themselves as Anglicans fell from 21 to 17%, a loss of 1.7 million people in two years.

    And, of course, the drop in Anglicans has also led to a drop in church attendance. According to the Faith Survey, 1,370,400 people in England were recorded as Anglican churchgoers in 1980.In 2015, there were only 660,000.

    Citing the BSAS, the Spectator reported that “Anglicanism is declining faster than any other majority denomination. With the current rate of decline, it would be set to disappear from Britain by 2033.”

    Only 3% of adults under 24, and only 5% of British adults between the ages of 25-34, identify as Anglicans. The Guardian cited a lack of agreement over issues like same-sex marriage and ethnic diversity for alienating “almost an entire generation of young adults.” However, some Anglicans believe that doctrinal and liturgical instability has led to the decline.

    In an article titled "Women clergy will be the death of the Church of England," Anglican Kathy Gyngell commented that a correlation between the rise in female clergy and the drop in Church attendance cannot be ignored.

    "And guess what, as the wimmin have risen, church attendance has fallen. It's halved in the forty years since my dad retired with more churches losing congregation members than are gaining them. If there is no correlation between these two trends, then I am the Pope," she wrote.

    "But instead of waking up to this self fulfilling downwards spiral of destruction, all the Church of England feebly does is push it further. Having women bishops has become more important than dealing with declining church attendances - as though 'gender equality' was of spiritual significance. It is not. It is purely ideological and political. It says more about women's demands for status and power than about any godly calling - more about the modern female ego than about spiritual humility that is for sure," she continued.

    "No wonder congregations drop off and no wonder there are fewer baptisms, weddings and funerals in church. No wonder at all when those leading the Church are too blind to see this connection or are too ready to sacrifice their belief and their mission on what can only be described as the altar of gender politics," she added.

    The Church of England began ordaining women to its priesthood in 1994, and by 2014, 32% of Anglican clergy in England were female.

    A former Anglican, now a Roman Catholic priest, Father Paul Martin told LifeSiteNews that one significant reason for the decline in Anglican membership and practice is the rise of relativism and secularism in western society.

    “People no longer feel a need for God in their lives, especially a God who must be worshipped and adored,” he stated. “Anglicanism was always going to be especially vulnerable because it has traditionally offered people ‘pick and mix religion’. Find a God for yourself that you are comfortable with and then a church and parish that best expresses what you want.”

    Unfortunately the ‘pick and mix’ attitude has been taken to its logical conclusion.

    "Now - largely because they have not been challenged to think differently - people are taking the choice option a stage further and saying ‘Actually when I think about it I don’t want or need God at all. I’m fine on my own. And if there is such a thing as eternal life then I’ll take it as my right rather than something I have to consciously seek and find’,” Martin explained.

    Ultima modifica di pongo; 15-12-2017 alle 11:06
    Francisco Summo Pontifici et Universali Patri: pax, vita et salus perpetua!

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